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and people are very anxious for more

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more and more right away for sure and

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there are things happening behind the

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scenes that are really really positive

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but they're not things that can be made

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public because they would completely be

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derailed if that happened and eventually

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I think we're gonna see more really

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positive developments happening positive

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developed but what do what do we you

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mean now I'm gonna grill you the way you

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were grilling us your co-hosts were just

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mentioning and what they call disclosure

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now put that in quotes I mean this may

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be a step in that in quite some kind of

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official acknowledgment I'm just saying

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I think there's gonna be more and

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there's gonna be more support for for

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this kind of investigations to happen I

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got a question for Alex I'm gonna roll

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it back Alex because obviously Alex

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feels that and then I'm gonna ask ground

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the same question but Alex already feels

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like we've passed that sort of point in

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history but we're gonna look back on so

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I'll ask I'll ask Alex and ground the

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same question Alex when was that point

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in history that we're gonna look back on

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and say this is that point in history

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where you know it started because

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obviously both of you think we've got

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past it I think right well I guess I'm

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gonna answer that with the same little

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anecdote that I was gonna say before

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it's the soccer dad story so I'm out

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watching my daughter's high school

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soccer game and kind of like your story

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this guy comes walking over to me

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because he knows I'm interested in this

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stuff you know he says hey do you know

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what now listen to his spin on it he

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goes I can't believe I saw this story on

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UFOs in The New York Times and then it

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just went away what's up with that why

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did it go away that was his take

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unprompted I didn't say anything so then

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I went through the whole thing and I

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said well you know there's kind of a lot

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to it and you know you might want to

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look at this and you might want to look

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at this guy right from San Diego here

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from blink 182 and now he's come out and

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he was fed all this information and all

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the rest of this and he's pushing out

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through his organization the whole thing

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and his head was just spinning but the

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point is is twofold

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what people picked up on is that one

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this is the biggest story in history but

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everyone kept sitting around waiting for

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the fallout and when it didn't happen

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everyone was like what the heck just

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happened so I guess I'd throw that back

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to you Leslie what the heck just

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happened because I'll give you the

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conspiratorial version of what happened

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is they were trying to do something they

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were trying to run some kind of program

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not that the information wasn't true not

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that you got duped not that the video

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isn't real it's all real but the way

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that it came out had a certain intended

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purpose and maybe that intended purpose

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didn't quite work out the way they

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anticipated and now there's some kind of

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repositioning what do we do next kind of

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thing so rip that apart that's a crazy

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conspiracy idea but why did the real

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part of it is why didn't this take off

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why didn't this happen this is the

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biggest story in history why didn't it

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happen in a bigger way well or what

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you're saying is why hasn't there been

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more stories that have followed right I

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mean that's my my only interest is to

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try to do more stories that's know I

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think talking about people like you know

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now that this comes out do you think

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it'd be a lot more digging into actual

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cases and going back and there'd be more

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of an overarching story about UFOs I

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mean we're all talking about disclosure

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and even listen to crime Erica and you

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listen to like their interview with

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Richard Dolan right and he wrote the

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book after disclosure and all that and

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he's pretty well respected in the

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research a UFO research community what

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the whole point of that book was hey as

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soon as there's disclosure the questions

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will not stop there will be well what

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about this what about back in the 1950s

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when this came out and this happened

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what about this one what about that one

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where were these up there was and all

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that made sense to all of us we all said

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yeah that's probably why there will

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never be disclosure because once they

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disclose the

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students from the investigative media

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will not end all that was completely

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wrong none of that happened there's been

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zero interest / follow-up from the

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people we rely on - and there's a

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question there why did that why is that

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going on well how much of that is

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because the the main it seems to me like

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a lot of the leading experts today of

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abandoned nuts and bolts so I mean

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you've got a whole half of the UFO

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community now that's kind of doesn't say

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I did my opinion is that doesn't think

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the government has any better of a

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handle on it then grant Cameron does

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or Leslie I mean I'm not I'm not I have

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you know I have to tell you I'm not part

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of the UFO community and I don't follow

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everything that they're dealing with

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online so I'm Alex probably knows more

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about what they're all saying than I do

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but you know there's just so much you

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guys are saying in terms of follow up we

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you know every journalist out there

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including Politico the Washington Post

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we all want to do more stories on this

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and we're all working on it but so far

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we don't have the material we need to do

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another story and to satisfy the editors

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at the New York Times

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right but we are in the process of

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digging into stuff with the hopes of

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doing that and the intention of doing

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that and I think there are other

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journalists out there doing that too

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please check out the Skeptical website

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you can see it here we cover a lot of

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different stuff you might be interested

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in relating to controversial science and

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spirituality a lot of shows up there

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over 350 of them or so all free all

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available for download so do check it